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		<title>Did you forget the marketing in your online marketing?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Search traffic and impressions and page rank and link building and keywords and all of that internet stuff is what most search marketers go completely batshit crazy about.  Some search marketers will try to get traffic for almost any keyword that is even loosely related to their web page, and to me, they are wasting resources and wasting their time, and cluttering up the internet while they are at it.   So doods, stop, you're making me type in run-on sentences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumblepup.com%2Fdid-you-forget-the-marketing%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumblepup.com%2Fdid-you-forget-the-marketing%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">Search traffic and impressions and page rank and link building and keywords and all of that internet stuff is what most search marketers go completely batshit crazy about.  Some search marketers will try to get traffic for almost any keyword that is even loosely related to their webpage, and to me, they are wasting resources and wasting their time, and cluttering up the internet while they are at it.   So doods, stop, you&#8217;re making me type in run-on sentences.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In this maddening land grab of search results page property, some search marketers are forgetting something pretty important&#8230;marketing.  It seems that after what is relatively only a few years, what&#8217;s been missing from search marketing is the actual marketing.    This is not to say that EVERYBODY is lacking in the marketing skills, just a general trend I&#8217;ve been noticing.  And, it&#8217;s cyclical, whenever a new crop of sites start going for the gusto, it&#8217;s 2002 all over again, with the links, and the spam, and the strange keywords, and a whole bunch of other internet shenanigans which Google looks like they are rewarding.  The strong online sites know the value of marketing and they use it to their advantage.  The wannabe&#8217;s, not so much.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But at this point, marketing the term has taken on so many new sets of definitions that it&#8217;s hard to filter out what real marketing is from what &#8220;somebody&#8221; says it is.  As I was preparing this post, I was contemplating giving all three of my readers a quiz, and then I woke up.  Let me just tell you what marketing really and truly is.  No long treatise on marketing segmentation and age specific retail comparisons, those are for uppity ups who need to do complex statistical formula so their privates get all tingly.  No, the definition AND purpose of marketing can be summed up in one life changing sentence.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">Marketing is presenting <strong>the right product</strong>, to <strong>the right person</strong>, at <strong>the right time</strong>, with <strong>the right message</strong>, for <strong>the right price</strong>.</p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">That&#8217;s it.  That all of it.  That one sentence is the secret to killer frickin&#8217; marketing.  If anybody tells you otherwise, they are trying to impress you and get you into bed, or make you wish to see them naked.  There are very rich and necessary subtleties to marketing that make that sentence even stronger, and yes, data mining is up there on that list.  But data and research are meant to help you achieve what that one sentence encompasses.  If someone has a different definition that they can prove is more true than mine, then I will buy and eat one of the packs of <a href="http://www.hostesscakes.com/snoballs.asp">sno-balls</a> that has been sitting on a shelf for 6 years  from my corner gas station.  I&#8217;ll even take a picture of what is happening to me three hours later and post it on twitter for the world to see.   That&#8217;s how dedicated I am to my shizzle.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But how do I, or any <a href="http://twitter.com/leeOdden">badass marketer</a>, knows this to be true?  Well, experience teaches like a mofo. It&#8217;s not the same to know something you learned from books as to actually be wearing your Stacy Adams when you get <a href="http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/epic-beard-man">beat up by an old guy</a>, but I digress.   Each phrase in the sentence is a concept.  They are not dependant on any order unless your marketing campaign creates the order.  Each of these concept phrases is dependent on all the others, and each must be true to complete the cycle.  Get all of them, and you have the optimum marketing opportunity for your sale, and usually converts your opportunity about ninety-nine percent of the time.  Get each one right, and your gold.  Miss on any of them, and you&#8217;re done.   Can you still convert if you only hit a few of the concepts?  Sure, that&#8217;s possible, but not as rewarding, and certainly not as frequent.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Think about it.  Marketing is essentially about finding and creating opportunities, the end result hopefully being a &#8220;sale.&#8221;  The sale could be the sale of a product or service, or the ability to sell someone on clicking on an affiliate link.  This one sentence covers everything from selling t-shirts online to affiliate marketing iPads.  Here is an example of what exactly it is that I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the retail bricks and mortar world, say what you want about Walmart, but one thing they know how to do is sell products, and they use a lot of the right kind of marketing to do it.  Here is one genius marketing tactic they&#8217;ve been employing for at least the last year.  Toys in the cereal aisle.  Yes Georgia, that&#8217;s really good marketing.  It is also product placement and effective sales, but it&#8217;s perfect marketing.   Here&#8217;s why.  If you&#8217;re shopping in Walmart, they&#8217;ve already got to points working on you, the right time and the right price.  You are shopping , so you represent a hot opportunity, and you know that Walmart discounts everything, so almost everything you are shopping for at the time is at the right price.  Ok, but let&#8217;s say you are towing along a 4 to 6 year old with you, which happens to be the source of a major percentage of impulse buys.   This child is more than happy to inundate you with every possible argument from every possible angle on why they absolutely need a <a href="http://starwars.lego.com/en-us/Products/Default.aspx">LEGO Star Wars Droid Fighter</a> in order to survive the next few years because they will never, ever ask for anything again.  So they are hitting you with the right message, which is &#8220;Please shut this child up&#8221; without even trying.  So what do you do?  You avoid the toy aisle like I avoid dentists with blood in their hair, and keep on shopping.  You head towards the cereal aisle and whoah and behold, Captain Crunch and LEGO!  You are the right person, a parent, at the right time, shopping, receiving the right message, toys and cereal blasted to you at 300 words per minute, about the right product, NO DUH, at the right price; it&#8217;s discounted, so grab it.  That&#8217;s good marketing.  No, it is not IMPULSE, and yes, it is good SALESMANSHIP, but good marketing delivers the opportunity good salesmanship.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But how do you translate this online where the first step in any marketing opportunity is search?  A great example would be <a href="http://www.bbgeeks.com/">BBGeeks</a>.  <a href="http://twitter.com/sugarrae">Rae Hoffman</a> is a great online marketer, and <a href="http://www.rumblepup.com/fuck-seo/">I&#8217;ve blown smoke up her ass before</a>, and I don&#8217;t blow smoke up peoples rears that often, but it&#8217;s well deserved. She has done an awesome job of marketing BBGeeks, and creating the kinds of marketing opportunities many of us wish to have.  And when <a href="http://www.sugarrae.com/woulda-coulda-shoulda/">she told everyone how she did it</a>, I certainly paid attention.  How does BBGeeks fit into the marketing mantra of truth? Let&#8217;s go old school rap on this, BREAK IT DOWN:</p>
<ul>
<li>The Right Product &#8211; Sure there are plenty of cellular products that people go on and on about, but only two of them have captured the love and imagination of the nation, and one of them are BlackBerrys&#8217;.  The other one is pissing everybody off.   But the BB is a topic of conversation, and topics of conversation are often searched for and purchased online. BB owners and potential owners share some common needs.</li>
<li>The Right Person &#8211; The BB owner or potential customer wants something a bit more than flash and lights.  They need communication and performance, and a set of functions that will facilitate those needs.  They can go one way or another, but the BlackBerry has them.  They want to make their BlackBerry special, and BBGeeks shows them how.</li>
<li>The Right Time AND the Right Message- BBGeeks doesn&#8217;t necessarily go after potential customers with when they are interested in the features of a BlackBerry.  BlackBerry and RIM do that just fine all by themselves. However. BBGeeks is there with the right message when a potential BB customer is getting to the nitty gritty, improving their BB or finding the right service providers, or pimping out their BB.   BBGeeks is there when a BB owner needs help, via twitter, or when they search a particular BlackBerry application and why it&#8217;s spouting German cuss words at you.</li>
<li>The Right Price &#8211; Free is good.  Free attracts.  It doesn&#8217;t hold, but it attracts strongly.  With a vast amount of free help, free information, free reviews, and the freedom to communicate, the BBGeeks customer is ready to buy the app, or the service, or the actual phone at a price that is now evident to them represents value.</li>
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<p>Anyone can argue that I&#8217;ve got my analogy all messed up, but I&#8217;ve been playin&#8217; this game for years.  BBGeeks owns the secret to marketing sentence, and if you are an online entrepreneur, you can too.  Make the right decisions when marketing your products or services, and follow the Secret To Marketing.  It&#8217;s actually quite easy.  Some Do&#8217;s And Don&#8217;ts:</p>
<ul>
<li>Don&#8217;t try to sell a 160,000 dollar car to a 15,000 dollar car customer, or vice-versa.  See how <a href="http://www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com/">Rolls-Royce</a> does it. (Right Price)</li>
<li>Why in the hell are you marketing DeWalt power tools to 50 year old homemakers?  See how <a href="http://www.toolbarn.com/">Toolbarn</a> does it. (Right Product)</li>
<li>It&#8217;s five o&#8217;clock and Mom is driving the kids home after soccer practice.  She&#8217;s tired, she&#8217;s hungry, she&#8217;s got kids screaming.  Not a good time to tell her about your sale on lithium cell batteries. (Right Time)</li>
<li>Tell your stereo customer who is interested in Bach and Beethoven about the fidelity and presence of the mid-base tones of the speakers you want to sell.  Don&#8217;t tell them how much their ears will bleed when they crank up <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manowar">Manowar</a>.  (Right Message)</li>
<li>If your customer is shopping for one of the worlds finest leather couches, don&#8217;t tell them they can have it in six easy payments of 399.99. (Right Price)</li>
</ul>
<p>And as for how this relates to search marketing?  Well, search results aren&#8217;t just an opportunity for someone to find you; it&#8217;s an opportunity to tell a potential customer that they <em>need</em> you. If you have high end luxury products, don&#8217;t go for &#8220;discount&#8221; and &#8220;lowest price&#8221; in your keywords.  If you an affiliate marketer representing toys, attract your audience with &#8220;fuzzy warm bears&#8221; or &#8220;fun outdoor games&#8221;, and use prices in your descriptions;   Parents like low price, but they don&#8217;t trust cheap</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re ever on a bus in Atlanta, don&#8217;t even mention shoe shines.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sitting there at lunch at this neat little Cuban/ Argentinian restaurant in Coral Gable&#8217;s, Florida, I actually experienced someone look me straight in the eye, and poo poo search.
&#8220;The Search Engines are a thing of the past&#8221; he says to me as he waves the thought away like some bothersome fly blowing little fly kisses [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><div class="tweetmeme_button" style="float: right; margin-left: 10px;"><a href="http://api.tweetmeme.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumblepup.com%2Fsearch-engines-are-dead%2F"><img src="http://api.tweetmeme.com/imagebutton.gif?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumblepup.com%2Fsearch-engines-are-dead%2F" height="61" width="51" /></a></div><p style="text-align: justify;">Sitting there at lunch at this neat little Cuban/ Argentinian restaurant in Coral Gable&#8217;s, Florida, I actually experienced someone look me straight in the eye, and poo poo search.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;The Search Engines are a thing of the past&#8221; he says to me as he waves the thought away like some bothersome fly blowing little fly kisses in his ear.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Google is non-consequential, they are part of the past, we won&#8217;t need search.&#8221;  he continues to say as he looks at me like I&#8217;m some lowly waterboy learning the secrets of the universe from him.  His community building technology will attract an audience because, like a stormtrooper, it will enforce it&#8217;s <strong>authoritah</strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="aligncenter" style="border: 0;" src="http://www.oneposter.com/UserData/Poster/Poster_26263.jpg" alt="" width="180" height="180" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Yes, this conversation actually happened.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">At first, I thought that he meant that he didn&#8217;t need search to attract an audience, basing his search marketing on viral methodologies.   A link here, some buzz there, a good news article, and a viral thing happens.  Hey, it works.  Most of the major social community sites didn&#8217;t attack search at all, they just created a little buzz on the web about what they are doing, and why, and we are off to the races.   Search results will come, especially when you have a few hundred users tagging, talking and bookmarking stuff.   Before you know it, you&#8217;ve got thousands of pages of relevant content that you did not have to create, from a site that is actually a magnet for users.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">For instance, <a href="http://www.thisnext.com/">thisnext</a>, which is a social <a href="http://www.solutionwatch.com/268/kaboodle-social-shopmarking/">shopmarking</a> site where a community of avid shoppers bookmark deals, steals, gifts, clothes, beauty products, shoes, and unique&#8230;stuff from all around the web, is just that kind of site.  I can definitely say that I&#8217;m a fan of the concept.  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m not the first one to notice the potential, especially in monetizing such a framework.   I mean, where else are you going to find the <a href="http://www.thisnext.com/item/B41186D2/Hello-Kitty-Assault-Rifle">Hello Kitty Assault Rifle</a>?  (something my wife has been eying, so I&#8217;ll be sure to bring her chocolate everyday)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It&#8217;s not new, per say.  Forums have been attracting this kind of search results for years, but with a bookmarking site, you can create your own little celebrity status, becoming an expert in something.  This can be attractive.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Eventually, viral marketing affects search, (linkbait, linkjuice, linkwhore) and I&#8217;m sure that most of today&#8217;s thisnext users found the site through search.  I&#8217;m not your most accomplished journalist, so I haven&#8217;t asked before I started this post, so I can&#8217;t vouch that my opinion is valid.  It&#8217;s an intuition, and not an opinion that should be taken as any kind of fact.   All I know is my experience with thisnext, and my observation of the people around me.  My wife found thisnext through searching for <a href="http://www.thisnext.com/tag/haircare/">hair care.</a></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">This conversation started when he began explaining his online community building &#8220;software&#8221; as he calls it.  In all actuality, I&#8217;ve been researching the semantic web, ontologies, meta data and associative word knowledge based systems for awhile.  I&#8217;ve got to tell you the truth, his technology is impressive.  I&#8217;ve also done a little database work, since my primary field is e-commerce, relational databases are always on my mind.  (I&#8217;m actually preparing a post for this whole semantic, ontology, tagging thing, so stay tuned)  So I was excited to hear more on his concept.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">But when he said search was a thing of the past, my ears started to bleed.  Unless I misunderstood, which has happened my times I&#8217;m sad to say, his idea was &#8220;build it, and they will come.&#8221;  His technology would create instant authority because it created the proper meta data that pushed the concepts the community was most authoritative out into the web.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I asked, &#8220;Out into the web, &#8230;where?&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Remember &#8220;build it and they will come&#8221;?  The basic concept of what NOT TO DO, when thinking of promoting a website.  I mean, the search engines have all improved over the years, and Google&#8217;s capabilities are really staggering.  I can pretty much bet you that if you have a url, and a bs index.htm page with nothing on it but company name, no inbound links, no site submission, and a noindex in the meta and the robots.txt file, google still knows it&#8217;s there, and would probably list the reference to the site in a search for the url.  But there is no amount of meta, semantic, topological, ontological or any other &#8220;ogical&#8221; technology that will enforce it&#8217;s rules upon any of the SE&#8217;s, especially Google.  It&#8217;s Google&#8217;s algorithm that decides if your an authority site, not your algorithm TELLING Google your the authority.  Just doesn&#8217;t happen.  Even though the technology was super impressive, his reasoning, his attitude was just wrong.  You need to market your business, at least one freakin link somewhere. Nope, not according to his plan.  According to him, people will go to a site they don&#8217;t even know is there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So my main dilemma was trying to figure out how people where going to find this site.  So I give him a theoretical situation.  Say you build a community site for women entrepreneurs.  There is PLENTY of interest on the web for that. How do you attract the visitors?  How does a woman entrepeneur, who wants to network with other women entrepeneurs, find your site?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It&#8217;s as if I asked what 2 + 2 is to Albert Einstein.  He was incredulous.  How could I ask him such a question.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;The meta data engine will push out this information to the right people&#8221; he says.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">OOOOOHHHH,  wait a minute.  Are you saying that you&#8217;ll have an RSS or syndication service that will push out the content of your community to web properties like Yahoo or Aol or MSN?  You&#8217;ll be using a proliferated data model?  Where will you get the initial content? ( I learned this stuff from <a href="http://videos.webpronews.com/tag/mike-mcdonald/">Mike McDonald</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;No.  We can use RSS and the syndicated datamodels of other websites that have information our users want.  In the case of a woman entrepreneurs social site, we can draw in the information that they want to have, based on their movement inside the community.  When they network with people from their own state, or college, or they communicate an economic idea, or their favorite accounting package, or where the best source for labor is, they will be creating meta data that is quantifiable.  We can present her with everything she wants all within the same matrix, she won&#8217;t even know she&#8217;s always within the same structure.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Right now I&#8217;m thinking &#8216;OK, listen.  <strong>I AGREE 100%</strong>.  Your technology is <strong>awesome</strong>.  The relational data structure is simply massive in it&#8217;s implications.  FACEBOOK is based on a similar concept.  But even FACEBOOK had to let someone know they existed.  &#8220;Hey, look at me, I&#8217;m FACEBOOK, you cool new toy&#8221;&#8216;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So I ask him again -</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;But how will a business woman know your site exists?&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;From the users&#8221; he says.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><strong>BIG SLAP TO MY FOREHEAD CURLY STYLE.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><img src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_hzbbdlyncZo/Re0HczuuLhI/AAAAAAAAAAs/VE78Ojrefrk/s320/photo_head_choward.jpg" alt="" width="130" height="114" /></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I say &#8220;And those users will find your site how?&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I had to ask this again.  I was starting to feel all weird in the head.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Because our technology will push the data out to those users&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Can you see where this is going?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Since we where sitting at a restaurant where a lot of professionals like lawyers, doctors and businessmen hung out, I ask the young lady next to me what she uses the web for.  I had to make sure he listened to this conversation, so I made it look as if we where going to flirt with her.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Hey&#8221; I ask her.  &#8220;Do you like to use the internet?&#8217;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Yeah&#8221; she says &#8220;I do a lot of research, and I network and communicate with others in my field.  I buy a lot of stuff online as well.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">When he heard the word network, he grinned at me like saying &#8220;You see&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So I asked her, &#8220;How did you find these professional networks,&#8221; and I could see his face, waiting for the kill, to show me how I was an antiquated, silly and stupid individual who knows nothing of web technology and shouldn&#8217;t even be allowed in the room.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Wait for it&#8230;.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">She said &#8220;Oh, I did a search on <a href="http://www.google.com">Google</a> for a young lawyers group.  I did different searches.  I used <a href="http://www.yahoo.com">Yahoo</a> as well. I found this blog of a young attorney in San Fransisco, but I also found a listing for a discussion forum for young lawyers, and a <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/">Linkedin</a> listing.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">His smile faded.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Ahh, you <em>SEARCHED</em> for it.  Google is a great search engine.  Yahoo is a little better at groups and such&#8221; I said.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Yeah, but pretty much everything you want to find, you can find it through Google.  If not that actual web page, then a reference to a web page&#8221;  She said.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">&#8220;Cool&#8221;  I said.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">..</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I looked over at this incredible intelligent man who developed something I couldn&#8217;t even begin to comprehend, and I said.  &#8220;You see, she <em>searched</em> for this, on a search engine.  She might have also been on a forum that had a link on it, but she found that forum via search to begin with.  Those websites didn&#8217;t just appear on her page because they know who she is and came to her, and jumped through the browser.  Now that she knows they are there, she&#8217;ll return on her own, WHEN SHE NEEDS TO.  Not because she&#8217;s always in there.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">He fell silent for awhile.  I couldn&#8217;t comprehend how search didn&#8217;t even come into this man&#8217;s attention.  Did he think that people would go online and pop into the url field his website because that&#8217;s what their fingers did?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Social Networking, social media, bookmarking, meta tags are a wave front of the future, but it&#8217;s hard to comprehend a future without search.  Social technologies will never replace the need for search, I don&#8217;t care what the experts say.  Search was borne out of necessity, and that necessity remains.  But the social aspect of search WILL jump forward to show it&#8217;s face and be an active part of search.  That is without question.  Right now, you don&#8217;t have to go to a lawyers website to find out how the law works or what you need to do for a special case, you can read someone else&#8217;s account, and see different people&#8217;s reaction to that situation.  That&#8217;s authority, and the SE&#8217;s like authority.</p>
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